talladega race sucked

[apttyfn]

Is it me or what? Nascar needs to go back and watch a talladega race from the 70s or early 80s to see what a race should be like, because this POS show they put on today was a waste of time. Just run a 50 lap shoot out wreckfest and be done with it.

[4345fan]

I,ll second that remark.That was pitifull .

[chilipepper]

It was awful. I loved Ryan Newman's comments about it when he came out of the care center. He felt the same way.

[apttyfn]

We basically watched a freight train for 497 laps then a lap and a half of racing until another wreck, luckily no one was hurt today. I love Talladega but I think the cup series there is just not working. Let them race or take it off the schedule. Make it a demolition derby weekend. Give Darlington another race.

[olblue]

I agree, what was up with the dirty track all day long. Dirt and dust flying everywhere, I can understand after a lap or two after stay dry but all day the track seemed dirty. Don't remember seeing that before.

[apttyfn]

Nascar probably dumped sand on it last night in case they needed a DEBRIS caution.

[olblue]

Nov 1, 2009 18:22:38 GMT -5 apttyfn said:

Nascar probably dumped sand on it last night in case they needed a DEBRIS caution.

I would'nt doubt that.

[Ryount45]

Man poor AJ could have used 1 of those debris cautions today, guy couldn't catch a caution every time he used the wave around.

[songsmith1950]

I agree. Talledega and Daytona are never really good racing. Either let them race or just shut those two places down.

[ricklou]

Dusty conditions is not unusuak at Dega, Daytona to. I have a couple of pics from years ago that show it.

[dstanbery]

I guess I am the lonely goat here but I have to say I LIKE the close,bumpin and bangin racin I see at these races. It's a Hell of alot better than gettin strung completely out and a few cars lappin the field multiple times.What are your ideas NASCAR could do take the plates off and letem race,We would surely have the cars up in the grandstands. These drivers get payed millions, stop the pathetic cryin and grow some -alls and earn your money and put on the show the fans want to see!! These guys whine about everything,a bump here a bump there,bang the hell out of them back and stop cryin. Buddy Baker,RP,C,Yarb,Dale Sr.,Harry Gant,Benny P,Allisons Ect did not complain THEY raced an RACED LIKE MEN!! Yea C'mon!

[ricklou]

I like the close racing to but when there is a pack of 30 plus cars drivers are going to make mistakes.

Pick your poison I guess. but there have been many thrilling finishes at Daytona and Dega before restrictor plates and there have been blow outs to.

Nascar Cup racing is not a drivers sport anymore.

[donmoos]

I have whined about this on every forum I have contributed. So if you heard this before I appologize.

Racing is Dangerous.

If you take the danger out of racing it won't be racing.

If you think Race car drivers can log thousands of miles going 3-4 times the speed limits we drive there will be injuries and yes deaths.

People have accidents every day on our Highways and Biways. These accidents cause injuries and yes death.

These drivers make millions of dollars doing their jobs on the tracks. all of the personnel involved in racing make a bit more money becuase of the dangers involved.

Now I am not wishing anyone get hurt or die. But I am a realist. If I am to be a FAN of racing I have to accept that my driver and all the others may suffer injuries or death as a result of there participation.

It is a tragedy, it will always be a tragedy. but is it anymore of a tragedy than the person who serves your food in a restuarant, provides the lumber for your homes, or puts the products on the store shelves. They all have had on the job deaths in those industries. Can't be avoided. Sorry but unless you think you are a god, that power does not reside with us.

If you think NASCAR is supposed to Guarentee that no one will get hurt, then don't complain about this boring racing. It is only going to get more boring. We can not idly sit by and do nothing to prevent a tire changer from getting a hang nail. It could get infected and it could get infected and he could loose his finger or die from it. (that was sarcams, just incase you missed it).

What I expect for the money i invest in being a fan of NASCAR.

1. I expect NASCAR to establish standards for the teams to meet with equipment that makes it reasonable that driver can survive most crashes. this I feel has been reached. They can not guarentee this as accidents are so variable anything can happen. People die in car crashes at 30 mph, while others survive 100mph accidents.

2. I expect every driver to race his car as hard as possible. I accept that if they are doing it from time to time they will over drive and have a problem. I work Hard at not complaining about the failure that is due to trying to hard.

Lets just get back to racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pmossberg]

Apologies not necessary here donmoos! Besides, it was worth reading again because you make good points, particularly your "expectations".

I agree Nascar has created a car that protects the drivers. And I too expect a driver to drive his/her car "as hard as possible."

But some things Nascar has done have increased the probability that a driver who drives his car "as hard as possible" will wreck. COTs that are down on the bump stops all the time...no room for the suspension to work...and no room for drivers/crew chiefs to make adjustments. Restrictor plates that kill throttle response...making a freight train of cars the only way to go.

I'm having trouble putting it into words, but Nascar needs to find a way to improve the "racing", with cars that reward those really willing and able to drive "as hard as possible."

[donmoos]

Nov 2, 2009 16:59:57 GMT -5 pmossberg said:

Apologies not necessary here donmoos! Besides, it was worth reading again because you make good points, particularly your "expectations".

I agree Nascar has created a car that protects the drivers. And I too expect a driver to drive his/her car "as hard as possible."

But some things Nascar has done have increased the probability that a driver who drives his car "as hard as possible" will wreck. COTs that are down on the bump stops all the time...no room for the suspension to work...and no room for drivers/crew chiefs to make adjustments. Restrictor plates that kill throttle response...making a freight train of cars the only way to go.

I'm having trouble putting it into words, but Nascar needs to find a way to improve the "racing", with cars that reward those really willing and able to drive "as hard as possible."

I understand where you are coming from, however, here is why I don't put it on NASCAR to solve:

1. NASCAR Sprint Cup Racing used the COT. Since it is standardized it its up to the teams to make the most of it's Capabilities. All teams have access to the same product. Cant get much more FAIR than that.
2. There is not such thing as the perfect CAR. for every advancement in any area will likely result in a problem some where else. We will tweak the series out of existance.

NASCAR and the MEDIA and the FANS need to accept the inherent dangers of racing. Ordinary messures need to be inplace to reduce the likelyhood of injuries to fans and participants but placing responsiblility on NASCAR will result in what we are faced with. SUCKY racing.......it will be sterilized to death. if that is what you want go watch shopping cart traffic at the local A & P.

Options I would encorage NASCAR to pursue:

1. Put the manufacturers back in charge of the body styles and engines, only allow variations to fit the COT's Chassis. No allowance for down forces. Run what you brung

2. Give the teams control over what ever tire they wish to run on. This will allow for a great variety of racing strategy's will allowing teams to deal with the varying differences in Car bodys.

3. If NASCAR insists on keeping the COT fix the following:
1. Rear window visability. I dont understand why this can't be fixed.
2. open up the flexibility of suspension set ups. The car has it's own limitations on suspension travel. It can only be so low before the bottom panels hit the ground.
3. Let up on the motors. specify CID, spicify compression Ratios', require the engine block and heads to be of sold design.

4. Trash every thought of PARITY ever used, that is killing this sport( my opinion anyway). ALL things CANNOT be equal. It is delusional to think it can be. There will alway be the haves and have nots. Paridise was lost forever when eve took the apple from the forbidden tree.

I offer those changes by NASCAR not to fix the series but to just put it back to the way it was. When racing was racing, Drivers needed to have guts and teams required inginuity (spelling?) to succeed. They won by there talents as a team, not becuase of a rule change. The Best wins..............